At Least Get the Big Lie Straight
Donjindra wrote
: We're running huge deficits. Of course
our tax bill will go up. It should go up. Do "conservatives" think
there's a free-lunch? That money grows on trees? Apparently so. -
Merry Christmas: This Tax Increase is for You, America
Dear Comrade Jindra,
OK, so now liberals are worried about the deficit? And you guys are
lecturing the rest of us about fiscal responsibility and how money is
created?
Typical tough talk from a group that can’t even pass a budget, yet alone balance one.
Here’s a good idea: Have your messiah present a plan to Congress that
balances the budget, right now, not after the passage of time and some
mythical increase in GDP created by “voodoo” tax increases on everyone.
Because Obama’s newest plan is basically the same, old plan he had
last year- and the year before- that even Democrats wouldn’t vote
for…not one vote.
“Even after granting all the phony spending cuts and similar gimmicks in Obama’s budget of last February,” writes Heritage’s
J.D. Foster,
”federal debt held by the public rises by $8.5 trillion over the next
10 years without the tax hike and by $7.7 trillion with the tax hike.
Expressed another way, allowing some of the Bush tax cuts to expire as
Obama demands represents less than 10 percent of the projected debt
increase.”
Only a true liberal would could come up with a plan to minimize the
damage done to the economy by the expiration of $500 billion in tax cuts
by raising taxes another $1.6 TRILLION, including $600 billion on
ordinary, middle class Americans.
I really hope Obama gets his party to vote “yes” on these tax increases.
DagNabbit wrote:
As I read through this column and the
comments, I realize, like pretty much EVERY comment on TH, that the
mouth breathers that TH attracts (meaning those of us who don't come
here to shoot fish in a barrel) still believe that the reason we have a
deficit is because of "entitlements". They don't want facts; they want
RELIGION. And their religion is a deep belief in the idea that the
reason we have debt is because the Government is handing out their hard
earned tax dollars to lazy drug addicts on Welfare. Yeah, that $38/week
is really going to screw up your retirement plans. LOL. -
Merry Christmas: This Tax Increase is for You, America
Dear Comrade Dag,
I combined two of your comments on the same subject because I found them equally idiotic.
How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you deny that
entitlement spending is contributing to our deficit? Sure, defense
spending is a pretty big line item, but: 1) It’s authorized under the
Constitution; and
2) Even if you cut it by half, you still have a
trillion dollar deficit.
Oh, I know, I know: You think that programs like Social Security are
not
entitlements because people paid into it. Well that would tend to prove
that you don’t know anything about how federal programs operate.
Social Security isn’t an insurance scheme whereby you pay in, the
government invests your money, and then at retirement you get your money
back plus interest. Instead, you pay into the system now, along with
others, to help support 1 (one) retiree. As long as there are enough
people paying into the system to support all the
eligible retirees, then
it works, mathematically at least. But that’s not the case.
“In 1950,” wrote our friend
Michael Tanner
over at Cato in 2005, “there were 16 workers paying taxes into the
system for every retiree who was taking benefits out of it. Today, there
are a little more than three. By the time the baby boomers retire,
there will be just two workers who will have to pay all the taxes to
support every one retiree.”
Social Security is an entitlement because no one actually gets back
what they pay into it. In order for it to work in the future, taxes will
have to be raised unless we turn it into a savings and investment plan.
Continues Tanner:
The Social Security payroll tax is already 12.4 percent of wages,
or one eighth of a worker's total annual wages. It is the biggest tax
the average household must pay. Roughly 80 percent of American families
pay more in Social Security taxes than they do in federal income taxes.
Despite that already huge tax burden, the payroll tax will have to
be increased by nearly half in order to continue paying Social Security
benefits. That's a terrible burden to impose on our children and
grandchildren.
DagNabbit wrote:
Jeez. Repubes lost SO BIG. And it's killing them. Life is freakin' GREAT, ain't it? -
Buffett Boosts Own Morale with Hypocrisy
Dear Comrade Dag,
It’s a Hat Trick! Three in a row!
3 million votes really isn’t that big of a loss.
Actually life hasn’t changed that much since last year or the year before when Obama wasn’t able to accomplish anything.
Enjoy the gridlock. I know I will.
ericynot wrote:
Through most of the days of the
Romney campaign all you heard about here was how everyone in the
Democratic Party was a free-cell-phone-using, no-tax-paying, freeloader.
Now all of a sudden, that party is made up of a bunch of sneaky,
conniving billionaires who want to destroy the country. Keep in mind,
for every Buffett there's a Trump, for every Gates there's a Walton, and
for every Rockefeller there's a Koch. And all of them, just like you
and I, have the right to promote whatever political philosophy they
like. That's the cool thing about America. And, Ransom, suggesting that
people with whom you disagree should die is repugnant and profoundly
un-American.
-
Buffett Boosts Own Morale with Hypocrisy
Dear Comrade Eric,
I don’t think you can point to one instance where I said everyone in
the Democratic Party was a free-cell-phone-using, no-tax-paying,
freeloader. Or that I denied that the Party had a bunch of sneaky,
conniving billionaires who want to destroy the country. What I SAID was
the vast majority who voted Democrat were free-cell-phone-using,
no-tax-paying, freeloaders...
CONTROLLED by a bunch of sneaky, conniving billionaires who want to destroy the country.
If you are gonna come by here you should at least get your facts straight.
And by the way, Donald Trump is hardly the same for Republicans as
Buffett and Soros are for the Democrats. I personally don’t have any use
for Trump.
John Calvin Errickson II wrote
: Conservatives have told me
for years is the rest of us should worship the super rich and their
ways. Are you experiencing class envy? And why are you complaining of
Mr. Buffett and not creating wealth on a massive scale?
Dear Comrade Mr. John Calvin Erickson,
You don't know that I'm not creating wealth on a massive scale, Mr.
John Calvin Erickson, the Second, by the Grace of God and the Royal
Dominions.
I don't have class envy. I wish for Mr. Buffett, the First, to keep the whole of his earnings, which by the way, he will do.
I merely pointing out that he was successful under the old system.
You see the problem with his plan is that it taxes NEW wealth. Guys
like him, who have already made it, are exempt for the most part.
Sincerely,
John Jeremiak Ransom, the Only, forever and ever, amen.
HoovervilleFollies wrote:
Of course Ransom is engaging in a
classic denier tactic -- cherry-picking to find a study somewhere that
includes some data that can be employed to raise doubts about the
overwhelming body of evidence that anthropogenic climate change is real,
serious, and well underway. -More Settled Science: Wrong about Ice Melt in Greenland, Sea-Rise
Dear Comrade Hoover,
I didn’t cherry pick anything.
Look, here are the facts that liberal don’t want to admit: There is
no settled science on climate change. From study to study you all can’t
even agree on how fast the ice is melting in Greenland, how much the sea
level rise is due to climate change or whether temperatures have
continued to rise at all.
The study I pointed to said that the ice is melting at a slower rate-
and the ice melt is accelerating at a slower rate- than previously
estimated.
The next day a different report reaches a conclusion that the ice sheet is melting
faster than previously thought.
What I’m saying is that the first thing you guys need to do to push the Big Lie is at least get the lie straight.
See more about this below.
QuietReason wrote:
Ransom has little grasp of science.
First step, read the original paper, not a newspaper's
interpretation of it. Start with
http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S35/40/38C46/index.xml?section=science
and see what they really said. There is no suggestion that Greenland is
not losing ice and in fact, the loss is accelerating. Second, realize
that the Greenland Ice sheet is only one part of the earth's ice and
talking about it in isolation is meaningless, what about the West
Antarctic Ice sheet, which is also losing ice and accelerating rates.
Third, 21ft of sea level increase would be disasterous, but smaller
amounts would also be very bad--take a look at maps of New Orleans,
Norfolk, Boston under scenarios of 3-6 feet sea level rise. -More Settled Science: Wrong about Ice Melt in Greenland, Sea-Rise
Dear Comrade Hills,
You have little grasp of reading.
I’m going to rebut you almost totally from something written by
Morgan Kelly, Office of Communications, Princeton University, because otherwise you’ll claim I’m too stupid to understand science.
An enhanced approach to capturing changes on the Earth's surface
via satellite could provide a more accurate account of how ice sheets,
river basins and other geographic areas are changing as a result of
natural and human factors. In a first application, the technique
revealed sharper-than-ever details about Greenland's massive ice sheet,
including that the rate at which it is melting might be accelerating
more slowly than predicted.
In addition, the enhanced detail of where and how much ice melted allowed the researchers to estimate that the annual acceleration in ice loss is much lower than previous research has suggested, roughly increasing by 8 billion tons every year. Previous estimates were as high as 30 billion tons more per year.
"Scientists are not totally sure what the driving force of the melt on Greenland is on short, yearly timescales,"
Harig said. "There is no certainty about which outside factor is the
most important or if all of them contribute. Being able to compare what
is happening regionally to field observations from other researchers of
what a glacier is doing helps us figure out what is causing all this melt."
And really Mike, sea-level rise is not uniform, as you should well
know, and would know, if of course you understood the science.
Sea-levels in New York have been rising at almost a constant rate for
the last 150 years. And in 2011, the Journal of Costal Research found
that sea-level rises were decelerating both in the United States and
worldwide:
From the
abstract:
Without sea-level acceleration, the 20th-century sea-level trend of 1.7 mm/y would produce a rise of only approximately 0.15 m from 2010 to 2100; therefore, sea-level acceleration is a critical component of projected sea-level rise.
To determine this acceleration, we analyze monthly-averaged records for
57 U.S. tide gauges in the Permanent Service for Mean Sea Level (PSMSL)
data base that have lengths of 60–156 years. Least-squares quadratic
analysis of each of the 57 records are performed to quantify
accelerations, and 25 gauge records having data spanning from 1930 to
2010 are analyzed. In both cases we obtain small average sea-level
decelerations. To compare these results with worldwide data, we extend
the analysis of Douglas (1992) by an additional 25 years and analyze revised data ofChurch and White (2006) from 1930 to 2007 and also obtain small sea-level decelerations similar to those we obtain from U.S. gauge records.
Mike, how do you get 3-6 feet of rise when scientists already agree
that the next 100 years won’t produce a foot of sea-rise unless sea-rise
rates accelerate, which now we know they aren’t doing?
Canetoad wrote:
You go for it John, but for the future I'll
be looking to emerging technologies in the green sector to invest my
money. Pretty soon climate change will become so apparent that even the
most ardent denier will be forced to remove his head from his rectum.
You hang on to all those old fossilized stocks you are so fond of, but
I'm betting the bank on new emerging green technology to sweep us into
the new century and revive our economy. Unfortunately due to Republican
obstructionism and just plain stubbornness, countries like Denmark,
Israel, Sweden and Finland are outperforming us.-
I Told You So Redux
Dear Comrade Toad,
You do that, Toad. Please. I mean that sincerely.
Because I really like making money and I need more counterparties in my trades.
And under the GREATEST solar-powered president EVER, an investment of
$10,000 in the one of the most popular green ETFs, the Claymore/MAC
Global Solar Index, purchased in May 2008, would now be worth about
$540.
By contrast, an investment in Exxon/Mobile would have retained about
the same value under the most hostile administration to oil companies
EVER.
You keep investing in sunshine. There is no shortage of that. It seems they make more of it everyday.
I’ll keep investing in the resource that’s scare.
Oh, and when those economic juggernauts in Scandinavia want to throw down over energy, I think we’ll be up to the task.
DAC wrote:
You lost all credibility with your Romney landslide prediction. So SHUT THE F[edited] UP!! . -
I Told You So Redux
Dear Comrade Dac,
Actually it doesn't work that way. The still expect me to write. And
guess what? I have more readers than ever. AND starting January, I'll
have a syndicated radio show.
More details to come
You can thank me later.
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